Re: Reply to list (was: Re: problem with apsfilter and abiword)

[Carsten Neumann <deltor@xxxxxxxx>]

On Sat, 03 Mar 2001, Andreas Klemm wrote:
> 
> On Fri, Mar 02, 2001 at 08:00:27PM +0100, Carsten Neumann wrote:
> > On Fri, 02 Mar 2001, Andreas Klemm wrote:
> > > 
> > > Could you please always do a group reply so that your answer
> > > show up on the mailing-list ???
> > > 
> > 
> > It'a pain!
> 
> Why ? Wrong mailer ? I have mutt and simply type the letter 'g'
> which stands for group reply ...
> If your mailer isn't that easy, you should look for a less
> painful mailer ...

No, not a wrong mailer - just the way I did it for years ago -
and for almost all lists, still.
I don't know exactly what you mean by "group reply", but my mailer (kmail)
has "Reply" (R) and "Reply all" (A).
The first one means: reply to the "From" address.
The latter one means: Reply to "From" address and also to the addresses in the "To" field -
and probably to those in the "Cc" field. This could be what you mean with "group reply"?!

I always use "Reply" since I used this for years, it's (R = Reply) intuitive,
there was no need to do it another way, and I don't want to bore or annoy people
with redundant mail copies.

I just encountered only TWO lists w/o "Reply to" field in the recent past.
One is this apsfilter-help list.

> 
> > > I'm nearly about forcing you people by configuring majordomo
> > > to set a reply to ....
> > 
> > Please do so!
> 
> hmm
> 
> > > But that has other disadvantages ...
> > 
> > What are these?
> > I don't see one!
> 
> People who are new to a software tend to not immediately
> subscribe to a mailinglist. If they need help from a mailinglist
> they usually simply write to the list to see, if its useful.
> Other people fear much mailinglist traffic.
> 
> If I would configure majordomo that way, he would set a 
> Reply-To: <mlistname>@apsfilter.org into the mailheader.
> 
> The result would be lots of help to <mlistname>@apsfilter.org,
> but not to the user who isn't subscribed to the list.
> 
> I think I can't force people to subscribe to a list, but don't
> want be so unfriendly, not to give them the help of a mailinglist ...

You force (subscribed) people to make a "group reply".

> 
> So figure ... I don't want to enable that feature...

Sorry, I completely disagree.

If I'm subscribed to a list and want to do a reply to someone's question/comment I
will always try to ONLY reply to the list - since if he/she doesn't mention he/she is
off-list I will always assume he/she is subscribed to that list.
And I don't want to get redundant mails: one going to me directly and one via the list.
So I think other people think similar.

BTW: I encountered replies from users on this list which only went to me.
So I am not the only one having problems with this list.

If one is NOT on the list - and I would think he/she is aware of that fact ;-) - I expect
that he/she writes that he/she wants to get replies also to his/her address.

> 
> > > Sorry, but the reason is, that other people should learn
> > > from our conversation, I'm busy with lots of other things,
> > > so I have to use the medium internet to my advantage (to 
> > > save time...).
> > > 
> > 
> > I use by default not "reply to all" since in most (of my) cases 
> > I don't want to bore the other recipients with my opinion, 
> > and most of the lists I'm subscribed to carry a "Reply to" field in
> > their header.
> 
> And I see it the other way around ...
> I don't want to be the only person, who has to answer to people
> who have an apsfilter problem and don't want to answer questions
> again and again.

And therefore make it easier for people to reply to the list.
Not just e.g. to you. ;-)

> 
> People should also make use of the mailinglist archive, which
> is ready for keyword search ...
> 
> Therefore people should use the list and use group replys...
> 
> > If I do this (and I do so always) for the apsfilter-help list 
> > I usually fail because I recognise - if at all - just after 
> > sending my mail that the reply goes to only one person.
> > Since there is no "Reply to" field it goes to the "From" address.
> > Then I have to send it again to the list.
> > 
> > Please add that "Reply to" field!
> 
> What crappy mailer do you have, so that you aren't able to
> do a group reply ???
> 

My mailer may be crappy, it just has "Reply" and "Reply all" functions.
The reason I usually fail to reply to this list is just my habit to only "Reply",
since for almost all lists there was need to change this.

> Even Lotus notes, which is crappy in other ways, has at least
> a knob to push "reply to all people".
> 
> I hope you understand my position better now ...
> 
> What do others think about that ?

I'm also curious. ;-)

> 
> 	Andreas ///

Kind regards

	Carsten